Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). I didnt want to upset James. Gosh, so many similarities with the HBC action. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you said you realized something dark about yourself, that you had been a woman ruled by fearand I could identify with what you said since I had been that woman too. I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. 1 Song. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. Leba and Sheila- Keep on being brave- it encourages me to do the same! The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. Then, not ten minutes later Mike Dunswood told us the Elders were told ( presumably by the XLT, which included Jeff Donaldson) all parents were notified about Paxton Singer and his sexpoitation issue in Jan 2018. And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. In 2013, in a story covered bymajor evangelical news outlets, Harvest publicly excommunicated two former elders who were still members of Harvest. , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. Scripture does not say what the mark was, but it was a mark that man knew as a sign to not to kill Cain, as it would end his life, and end the judgement that God had given Cain to live out his life with. I think that this message has relevance to many situations today, including the present political situation. A former youth pastor for Harvest Bible Chapel in Aurora has been charged with the sexual exploitation of a 16-year-old boy on allegations he sought nude pictures of the boy and repeatedly. Thoughts from a person looking in. Thank you for sharing and speaking truth Lina. Voices heard together make a difference. The next day, Helmer resigned, citing MacDonalds pattern of uncontrolled anger. The pastor later admitted being too intense in the classroom that day. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. Truth is healthy. No, I dont as well as many others. Gods heart, over and over again, is for those who are oppressed. No shame here for Lina. Driscoll, now MacDonald. Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. Goodthat you let a toxic place. Harvest ousted Daniel Marquardt, Scott Phelps, and Barry Slabaugh in 2013 after they protested against . When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. Anil. Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take immediate action on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. Really? As an encouragement, from day 1, as you began your faith walk ministry, starting a Women of Power teaching ministry at Harvest, I have watched your character. Im far removed from this situation, but saddened by it nonetheless. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. He was a ruler of his churches. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. Sounds like your faith in self is overwhelming only yourself! Swicegood released a statement saying that much of what has been alleged "is simply false, misleading and hateful." He added that the . You are absolutely right about the fear! Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. Thats what happens to us as individuals and us as a collection of people. Is many people for years have tried to bring things to light privately. I am so proud of Lina and she is speaking out the words that I would never say because I live in fear of that kind of authority. While I am heartened that the elders finally removed MacDonald, he should have been fired five years ago. Linas post is still available on other mediums, I imagine if she wanted to link it she would have. So much good was happening at Harvest, surely it must have Gods blessing. He kept telling me that I didnt understand authority and I was in rebellion. Muller had prematurely announced the pastors departure on Friday morning on his show on WLS 890 AM, going on to declare on Twitter, Conman Boss James Macdonald OUT of Harvest Church!. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. The Elephant's . God bless you. Excited for the new study, hoping One of your teachings would be chosen. We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. Like in Ezekiel, many people are trying to sound the trumpet of warning!! for less than $4.25/month. Your truth was not conceived in fasting or deep prayer and it sure isnt loving. We are to find our faith and hope in the Message, not the messenger. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. It was both true in a sense and funny. Thank you for all you do. Bless you! Amen Sister! Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. I have only read the first few paragraphs of your post and needed to stop there to send this reply. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. In the early 2000s, Harvest embarked on an ambitious expansion plan, aiming to form "10 churches in 10 years." Since then the church has opened locations in Elgin, Highland Park, Niles, Crystal. Your studies are strong biblical studies. The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. Harvest womans Tuesday bible study group has not studied a book of the Bible in a couple of years. In Jesus precious name. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! Romans 16: 17-20. If hearing voices together of those who have truth helps, then now is the time to speak. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. Others will be hurtit is a matter of time. Thank you for your response. I grew up in the Church of Christ. Even if the criticism in the letter had been unwarranted, this response is a huge red warning sign. Wake up and take some serious deep reflection you follow a man not Jesus that is extremely dangerous my suggestion to you.., workout your salvation with fear and trembling my sister in Christ. We dont know each other, but I found this via Julie Roys Twitter. One elder resigned over this, after asking to see the finances and being overruled by the rest of the board. Fear. The Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son. Praise and Worship is congregational: My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Seeing this in your personality it is understandable to me that at first you revered James correction and fell into compliance. This young lady has done the work and is doing the work of the great physician. Dont damage the church by being publicly critical. Nice to hear from you again! Sheri coordinates data collection and assists with day-to-day office administration for the church staff. Leaders should have secular jobs: When you are in a position where fear dictates the position you cannot speak out while under that. The church, which has a weekly attendance of more than 12,000 at its seven campuses, is also associated with Vertical Worship, Harvest Christian Academy (HCA), and MacDonalds Walk in the Word TV and radio ministry. I assumed that you had simply moved on to bigger and better things. Did they not find that video shocking? . I praise your decision to own your ministry outside of James. The link was in my post above. Nellie-What you might not know. Where there is no vision and freedom the people perish. Pastor was not happy and tried to convince us that we were wrong. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. I am so glad Lina has spoken up. I enjoy both of you Christian ladies for the different gifts you both bring. Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? They are not calmly declining either. She was obedient to Christ. Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. All Rights Reserved. for less than $4.25/month. Thank you for your honestly, I personally did not ask why you left, because we left approximately the same time for the same reasons. None of the perpetrators of hate and satanism have fully repented, including James, his despicable henchmen and the elders. Because she is helping expose evil and proving that is is deep and wide and on going. Thanks again, Lina, for being courageous in the midst of these difficult days. When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. Our focus should be on Christ and Christ alone, not James MacDonald. Thank you Lina, It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. Thanks for speaking up! DIRECTIONS & INFO | . OnFebruary 13, the elders announcedJames MacDonald had been fired. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. In our case we have been pulled away from our church as well because of how we have been treated for our daughters actions. It truly is the Lords work. It takes a long time. Isnt this just what the enemy of our souls would want? Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. Im replying after reading just your first few paragraphs. We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Dont listen to haters. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Not everything needs to be about Polititcs. Most of my friends as well. No one wins here-except our enemy. The whole ordeal was very strange. This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. Amy. Our cold hearts lack love that shows the world we are His. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. The problem was not simply Harvest messaging, but also the teachings that made such messagingmake sense. Hi Sally, The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. The womans bible study lead by two women who referenced Pastor James constantly are still in charge. Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? Blessings to you! No matter what everyone else says, it does take courage to say something. At the moment were seeing the effects of a down cycle away from God. It doesnt mean anything.. Right. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. Thank you for sharing. The fired senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch is contending, in a new lawsuit, that an attorney and accountants hired by the church took part in a "smear . Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. Instead, it was MacDonald and his inner circle that were making the decisions, unilaterally. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. They all need to be excised ( fired ), along with number one enabler extraordinaire of James, Rick Donald, along with the MacDonald boys, along with every single campus pastor and the other pastors, and throw in the worship leaders ( they are all complicit ), then the cancer would have been completely removed and the body ( the good people of Harvest that are being fleeced ) would have a chance to heal and become part of a true biblical church. A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. Lean should read it and reply in kind. And the lies werent just shared by James. That is why we keep talking. I loved that about you. These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. The preacher has no support system to fall back on but must find a new church before the new hireling moves in. Also, for 2 years I felt my prayers didnt get past the ceiling. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. I am so inspired to see you today. But, thats my opinion. Though MacDonald has been granted the rights to his Walk in the Word ministry, he and Harvest remain at odds. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. They made excuses for him. The timing of this article makes you less credible. Harvest, an off-shoot of an eponymous megachurch in Illinois, was sued for. Humility, repentance, confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, mercy, love, compassion, healing, serious prayer and so much more for and by everyone should be given top priorities on our agendas soon if not now. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. Its who you are! I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. I had a bad experience at the Chapel myself. Looking sideways (practical love): But that does not matter. Im glad I have stood firm. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! My father went through prostate cancer. I know many people who attend Harvest or who have been impacted by MacDonalds preaching are crushed today. Its true, Anonymous, we have no right to predict the eternal destiny of even the worst of sinners, for God longs to show mercy and grant repentance to all. I always wondered why you left but after reading The Elephants Debt I figured I knew why. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. I do believe you. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. Further, Nellie, I am glad that you missed out on being a victim of the authoritarian rule that grew, without check, in the once fertile soil of a formerly great ministry. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). I left HBC Davenport 4 years ago because of the spiritual abuse that is happening there as well. Nancy You sound like you still attend thereand you seem double minded. Pastor James teaching seemed so Biblical. Yet Jesus was not the mission even though the pastor spoke of Jesus. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? I am delighted to hear that. As happens in evangelicalism, Harvest effectively became its own denomination, with MacDonald at its head. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Yes Nellie, we are called to bring light on the darkness. I believe my continued presence wouldve required me to openly protest in every Sunday service because to remain silent through the service wouldve done injustice to the victims and passively shown support for the authoritarian leaders who refused to repent. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. Our good is like the filthy rags of the leper! Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. This post drips of mercy. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. Were they afraid? I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. Walked out of that service. I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. I have multiple thoughts. In addition to leading Harvest, MacDonald acquired a massive evangelical following through his books, Bible studies, and Walk in the Word radio program, with more than a million fans on Facebook. My current church I actually joined, unlike Harvest, and have been there five years and counting now. Lina, thank you for your post, and thank you for your honesty and transparency. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. Perhaps we can do something like that here in Davenport, too. Many are in or have been in denial. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. Nellie, please dont be taken in by putting people on a pedestal (very sad.) But the biggest lesson is people need to stop looking at preachers as though they are perfect, but God know they arent and they need people on their necks to keep them honest. superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. I love you and our Lird. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. The Asbury Revival Is Over. I wont make that mistake again. Torn between right and wrong. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. This Is a Revival Season Sean Feucht Announces 7 Days of Prayer on Capitol Hill, The Chosen, Candace Cameron Bure, Dolly Parton Win at This Years Movieguide Awards, Christian High School Girls Basketball Team Forfeits Tourney Spot Due to Trans Opponent, Tickets for SatanCon 2023, The Largest Satanic Gathering in History, Sell Out. Oh Kristy, Thank you so much for expressing exactly what I am feelingsuch sorrow, such heartbreaking sorrow. Show how we come together as one in the body of Christ! Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. My mom, who doesnt attend HBC, says that the church is going to die because James was the bread and butter. I will be praying for you , too, Lina. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. We are the Church! 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