In 2010, Bill Simmons published The Book of Basketballs paperback edition in which he updated his Hall of Fame Pyramid, a list of the top 96 greatest mens basketball players. Thanks, SHREK, for your bullshit opinion. 4. 102. 5. Nine Inch Nails As Bob is the highest tier when compared to anyone who picks up an acoustic guitar and tries to sing a folkish tune. John Fogerty (CCR), Ike Turner, Jerry Lee Lewis, Eddie Van Halen, Axl Rose, and Mike Love (Beach Boys) Buddy Holly & The Crickets: 10/10 Alex English. R.E.M: 10/10 8. T. Rex (Level 2) 161. It's Bill's idea and his rankings, I'm simply putting a fresh coat of paint on the building. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Posted by theAMAZINGcool on Friday, 04/19/2019 @ 07:36am. They wrote 95 % of their OWN HITSplus hits for THE TEMPTATIIONS , MARVIN GAYE, MARY WELLS, THE MARVELETTES,and NUMEROUS OTHERS !! Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 Here are the questions: Most quiet inductee? 212. 38. Lloyd Price: 4/10 "A Fork in the Road " Rebbie Jackson Posted by Tommy Wimmer on Monday, 09.24.18 @ 01:42am the notorious big - 2 14. 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons The Grateful Dead: 9/10 Shawn Kemp, 101. Did they have transcendent songs and albums or memorable moments? This hierarchy is useful when discussing future Hall of Famers and trying to determine where they might fit in amongst rock royalty (should Nirvana be on Level 3? Probably Percy Sledge 2009 Wanda Jackson The Four Tops: 10/10 Whatever his legacy, he'll be remembered for taking that road. Madonna Admittedly quite bad, but he's already represented without the halo effect. I think he deserves the rank. See the rankings as for this Basketball Hall of Fame Sets set on 2/1/2022 1:11:50 PM. Public Enemy: 3 If Liny Wray was inducted, he would be on four. The comments in this section have also been helpful, and of course, my own personal opinions, tastes and whatnot. This is me being honest. 208. 63. Posted by Donovan on Tuesday, 10/21/2014 @ 23:03pm, move to 4: Donna Summer Hall & Oates: 7/10 2005, 1999 like I said, a lot of great years, Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 21:58pm. "We have developed computational methods to measure historical significance through analysis of Wikipedia and other data sources. Not quite sure. Not a shock, since they also decided it was a good idea to put in Nile Rodgers as a sideman when substantially all his HOF credentials were through Chic (which he himself acknowledged), which ironically has destroyed Chic's chances (since they technically can't factor him in as he was inducted on his work with Chic amongst other groups). At present, either James Taylor or Laura NyroI'd say James Taylor It's high time that we recognize their limitations as exactly that and take them down off the arbitrary pedestal they were perverse placed on. Sex Pistols: 9/10 "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. I assumed you meant the bottom, but I don't wanna put words in your mouth. Yes on Thursday, 03.7.13 @ 23:05pm 5. 86. Sandwiching him in with the other me-first scorers from other generations. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/01/every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-ranked-from-best-to-bon-jovi.html But Neil aside, I like your other changes. Quietest: Musically, James Taylor. The Notorious B.I.G.-2 Plus, The Miracles' historical importance as Motown's first group seals the deal !! R.E.M. These are the misses from the initial Pyramid that I would've liked rectified: Grant Hill (replacing Connie Hawkins - Hawkins should be in the Comets section and Hill should've been in the Pyramid), Alonzo Mourning (replacing Sabonis - same deal with the Hawkins/Hill swap), Tim Hardaway (for Kevin Johnson - I saw both, Hardaway was a better player), Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo (for Horry - I get where he was going with including Big Shot Bob, but one of the other two guys deserved that spot), My toughest omissions from this Pyramid: Amar'e, Billups, Blake, Paul George, Rose. Why was the last minute of Game 6 so emotional? Posted by Yours Truly on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 22:40pm. (Think about it) . Posted by Zach on Thursday, 11/27/2014 @ 23:32pm. T. Rex A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. Jackie Wilson: 10/10 Posted by Follower on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:52pm, Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:56pm, Yeah Phillip, you're right. 32. 9. Jimmy Reed I was not alive for either group's heyday, so I can't speak to their innovation upon their arrival on the music scene. Yes, this high. Frank Zappa I'm giving him the Chris Paul memorial spot from the BoB. 203. The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 The Who Deep Purple- 4 177. Black Sabbath Nate Thurmond, 51. As for who I think next year will be: Nirvana, Deep Purple (long overdue, though I wouldn't complain if KISS went instead), some combination of The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Smiths, N.W.A., Chic, Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04/11/2013 @ 12:25pm. Tina Turner-Level 1 BoB 2.0 has been, well, not that. He's a better scorer, a slightly worse distributor, and a better defender over the course of his career. Tupac Shakur 204. Elvis Costello and the Attractions HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES. Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. 2. Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 07/28/2016 @ 20:05pm, The Beatles 5 Journey: 3/10 I'd at least move up Aretha, the Boss, and Bowie, Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:50pm. R.E.M: 10/10 Chicago 107. 39. -U2 Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 15:23pm, Well, it's no longer multiples of twelve and hasn't been since the first year. Dion, Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 00:11am. 158. Most civilized inductee? I'm not a RAWKist, but if I obey the asterisk, I'd probably say Percy Sledge. There is an interesting parallel to the pyramid--sometimes they agree, sometimes not so much. 139. The triple double was basically that Thunder team going out of their way to make it happen which is sort of disgraceful, but Westbrook was the second best guy on a Finals team and a few other conference finalists. The Doobie Brothers-1 Carly Simon Tupac - 3 Eurythmics (Level 1) - See more at: http://whoisbigger.com/#sthash.msMujDin.dpuf, Posted by Darrin A on Sunday, 12/15/2013 @ 12:43pm. You could even include acts who broke significant individual records (though, personally, I say no). Their accolades are eerily similar, but I like Wade a little more. T.Rex-Level 3 11. The Pretenders Sister Rosetta Tharpe- 5 "You're So Fine and Sweet" - The Undertakers. "The Love I Saw In You Was Just a Mirage" The Jackson 5, Vance Gilbert, The Uniques Stockton got to play with Malone. Duran Duran: 8/10 2018 Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 20:35pm. Tier 2 - Dire Straits, The Cars, Yes, ELO The most obvious one to me is Metallica, who are no brainers for level 4 at least, and could possibly mount a case (admittedly a weak one) for level 5. He's one of the best scorers ever. -I've heard stories that James Brown was a ballbuster. The inductees on Level 1 on the other hand, are often the reason the Rock Hall makes so many people crazy. Beastie Boys: 9/10 These questions and more are broken down in our third Pyramid Podcast with Bills former Grantland colleague, ESPNs Zach Lowe. 181. Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. The Who: 10/10 Run-D.M.C. The only artist from the last two years that I'd move up would be Nine Inch Nails. Most loudest inductee (outside the Metal genre)? The Zombies 112. Jeff Beck: 7/10 Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions did it YEARS before John Lennon. Deep Purple: Level 3 2009 Nina Simone Bon Jovi - 1 No. 166. Yes- 4 So, since I've had some free time, I took it upon myself to update the original Hall of Fame Pyramid and figured I'd share. Unless the answer to this is the Invisible Band, you've got a problem here. 1997 You are pleased to answer anytime you want. If I were to drop anyone it would be The Beastie Boys, or Elvis Costello. Give Orange. I have compiled all of them into the list below with corresponding dates. Whitney Houston: 9/10 Most snubbed artist who is now an inductee (besides Rush and Alice Cooper*)? Rush: 7/10 65. There are a lot of critic's darlings that fade over time. Donna Summer- 4, Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 05:22am. I don't where to post this ever since that "Current Hall of Famers" doesn't have a comments, so I have to post it here or in the "The Immortals" page. OK, why are Frank Zappa and the Bee Gees on the same tier? Elton John: 10/10 "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. Eddie Cochran Michael Jackson 6/10 = Decent Artists 11. The Rock Hall rarely misses the no-brainer inductees. Gladys Knight & The Pips: 7/10 I mean does anyone (be honest) go home and listen to a Ramones record? For rap artists, I would get rid of Public Enemy and replace them with 2Pac or Eminem and move Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five up higher. Their career ended through poor records and/or changing tastes. A lot of the acts in Level 1 and 2 should be upgraded too. This website really needs to update the rock hall pyramid. Bill Simmons remembers the day when he learned "The Secret" of basketball from Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas, then built his New York Times no. 31. Ike & Tina Turner: 9/10 1996 Pete Seeger 1987 T-Bone Walker Current popularity and connection to grunge aside, Neil Young isn't worthy of the high ranking he's been afforded. Is it fair to swap players based on one series at the tail end of their careers? 11. "I Like It Like That" (Miracles song)- Bobby Vee, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels. Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 04:26am. The Blues Brothers Most influential besides The Beatles, Elvis, and Chuck Berry: Bob Dylan, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Cream, Creedence Clearwater Revival, James Brown & The Famous Flames, Buddy Holly & The Crickets, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Sam Cooke, The Stooges. Revising lol, 2008 2. c) their influence on guitar and drum techniques, painstaking production methods, song structure and use of electronic effects extends far, far, FAR beyond the realms of metal. Yes - 2 (they could be a 1 too but I like them a lot and they are one of the definitive progressive rock bands so I upped them to a 2) Something was missing from their career totals. Doobie Brothers-5 I think all of the others were placed appropriately. -Loudest? 164. 14. The Band: 9/10 58. 1988 Woody Guthrie "(Come 'Round Here) I'm The One You Need " The Jackson 5, The Cowsills, The GP's Shaq, 12. 1999 Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 07:27am, And here is my opinion about the position of the 2018 inductees: The people at the top are more of the big timers, to me. 2 America - a secret airline run by the CIA - flew missions no one else would touch, from General Claire Cennault's legendary Flying Tigers in WW II Posted by Tony on Friday, 08/8/2014 @ 17:19pm, Overrated, or too high on the pyramid: Ramones, Elton John, Little Richard, The Clash, Elvis Costello, Aerosmith, Blondie, Alice Cooper, Genesis. Was Shaquille ONeal the one Pantheon player who could have been top five if he really wanted it? I can narrow it down to two; Bob Dylan (every singer-songwriter since) and Jimi Hendrix (every hard rock guitarist since). You love him. Game 6 of the 2016 WCF gets him to this point almost by itself. 2 our lives, from the bestselling author of The Bomber Mafia. "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. Jimi Hendrix. Nirvana: 10/10 . Deep Purple a 1??? "Bad Girl" Dazz Band, Mary Wells, Jackie Jackson. Steve Miller Aerosmith: 9/10 2003 Here are the questions: 2021 Jerry Lee Lewis Did the management of this establishment put you up to this? He finished Top 10 in MVP voting 4 times. If you want to argue he was a shitty teammate, fine, but on talent and resume, he belongs in the Top 50. His vocal styling influenced numerous singers in the alternative and new wave scenes, from Robert Smith to David Byrne. Lennon's massive hypocrisy shouldn't be overlooked either. *** This list does not reflect my own opinions. Thank you. Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 06:47am. Update the pyramid. 11. From Wikipedia: Except perhaps Bon Jovi, which I would put in the sub-basement if it were within my power to do so. Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02/6/2014 @ 14:58pm, 1. Did they hit sell millions of records, have over a dozen hits or win a lot of awards? Fats Domino should be moved up four rows. Elvis Costello & The Attractions: 9/10 51. 5/10 = Average/Borderline Bill Simmons remembers the day when he learned The Secret of basketball from Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas, then built his New York Times no. I'm going to pull a Simmons here and admit that I swapped Kidd and Payton because a washed-up Payton barely played for the '06 Heat that won a title while Kidd was actually important to the '11 Mavs. Donna Summer (middle 3rd) Even bands and genres that would be offended by the thought of being influenced by Metallica (punk and emo, for example), are influenced by Metallica. My recent finds include Whispering Jack Smith, Billy Eckstine (What a voice this man had! "Commenting to Rolling Stone Magazine, Bob Seger said: "I used to go to the Motown Revues, and the Miracles always closed the show. "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). John Mellencamp He could've complained about being a 6th man, but didn't. -Most influential? It needs to have ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Tupac Shakur, Journey, Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi, Dire Straits, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Nina Simone and Moody Blues. "I Second That Emotion" Japan, Michael McDonald, Kiki Dee, The Manhattan Transfer, Jerry Garcia, Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, 10db, Tammy Wynette, Jos Feliciano, Emilie, Stuck In The Middle, Thelma Jones. Despite the juvenile attacks, this argument you have made is much more interesting. James Harden is no slouch. Depeche Mode (Level 2) Ramones Muddy Waters (Level 5) -the Who, the Dave Clark Five being a close second despite their clean polished sound, they were loud and energetic. Much as I dislike them, The Byrds ought to go to the fourth level. The Moody Blues Etta James 190. Is Curry STILL underrated? "The Tracks of My Tears " Linda Ronstadt, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Rivers, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Mongo Santamara, Martha and the Vandellas, Bryan Ferry, Bjrns Vnner (as Ser Jag Ut Att M Bra? Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison at 3 should bump a few from 4.. Miles Davis (Level 2) What about Public Enemy?). George Harrison Gene Pitney: 5/10 The Police: 9/10 Good pyramid. "We've Come Too Far To End It Now"-The Escorts Not many changes to make. KISS I also love the story about a lady who got a knock on her door and when she opened it it was Pirince and another guy. Foo Fighters: 8/10 Miles Davis "Would I Love You" - Len Barry. Sabbath, Queen, Aerosmith, Beastie Boys, Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd I meant *borderline. Nobody above him had a shorter period of being in that stratosphere. The ultimate example of a band that had lots of hits but did nothing to develop rock 'n roll (Jackson Browne, John Mellencamp, Buffalo Springfield, Percy Sledge, Laura Nyro, Donovan, The Lovin' Spoonful, George Harrison, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, The Pretenders, Neil Diamond, and Randy Newman are all runners-up for the title of least qualified inductee) "How many artists CURRENTLY at Level 4 can ?" Take a deep breath. I forgot to factor influence. The Temptations: 10/10 Cheap Trick: 6/10 1986 Jimmie Rodgers Most snubbed artist who is now an inductee (besides Rush and Alice Cooper*)? "I'll Try Something New" Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, Barbara McNair, A Taste of Honey, Spyder Turner (as an excerpt from his cover of "Stand By Me") Please enter a valid email and try again. 8. Booker T. and the M.G.s it was neutral. Is there anyone not in the Hall who could be a 4? 111. Judas Priest would have been a Level 2 if they were inducted as performers. 2022 you like simmons a lot. And when is Poco going to move up. The 2011 Finals might be the single most impressive accomplishment by a NBA player in my lifetime. Chicago 1 bill simmons hall of fame pyramid updated Posted by On August 15, 2020 0 romanian gas mask KG had a few years post-2010, but nothing that would've moved him up the ladder so to speak.Personally, I'd have KG in the middle of that group. The Four Tops Darlene Love MORE PROOF !!! But the biggest question about Harden remainsand it wont be answered until the playoffs. The Notorious B.I.G. a) metal is actually such a huge genre and scene, easily the largest and most enduring underground music scene. Cat Stevens Outside of Biggie and Jay-Z, no one else really needs to be above Level 1. 5/10 = Average/Borderline Bill Haley (and His Comets) I'd probably have The Moody Blues in Level 2 or 3, since they're name checked as the pioneers of art rock and prog rock. The Mavs had Dirk, a semi-washed Kidd, Tyson Chandler, two diminutive scorers and 80% of Shawn Marion. That's the backbone of my opinion and I'm out of cares about your opinion about my opinion, pal. "Yester Love" Gerald Wilson & His Orchestra. Lavish parties excluded then the guys from Queen. 9. Adrian Dantley, 75. 17. 3,2,1 is pretty much a mess. Monty Python's Life of Brian 6/10 = Decent Artists Patti Smith FJD's Book Reviews. Pearl Jam 98. Move Fleetwood Mac to 4. Where do you see the rankings for 2015 Class? The Dells: 5/10 Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 Too many, though I'd probably say the Stones for starters. Now I'm remembering the time I went to the Country Hall of Fame and they had an exhibit on Ray Charles. Tier 4 is their place. Del Shannon: 5/10 Roxy Music: 8/10 Fats Domino: 10/10 The pyramid has been updated with the latest inductees. Foo Fighters-Level 1 Everyone else- Level 1, Posted by dank on Friday, 12/18/2015 @ 18:47pm, My guess at where the inductees will end up on this pyramid: 7. 163. Except on Neil Young, of course. Still recording new material and performing around places. - This is going off the paperback version which includes everything up to the '09-'10 season. Favorite induction year? The Staple Singers: 8/10 Tom Waits: 8/10 3/10 = Mediocre Eminem (Last one for awhile, maybe Kanye will reach that when he is eligible), Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 02:19am. "Love Machine" Wham!, Thelma Houston Basically these acts are all Level 2, Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 18:13pm. Stockton at 30 and CP3 at 42. 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